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Title Change Edit

Amazon recently changed the title of this book to Starcraft II: Flashpoint. JediHistorian 02:33, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

International releasesEdit

StarCraft II: Flashpoint will be released on Brazil on late March. Source: [1]

Rebels or Raiders?Edit

Hit a bit of a snag with Flashpoint character categorisation, and that's in regards to the factional stuff. Concerning the Dominion soldiers that defect alongside Valerian...how should we categorize them by way of faction? On one hand, they're not necessarily members of Raynor's Raiders. On the other, they're never actually referred to as "Dominion rebels" or "Valerian's (insert term here)," so any article for them would be conjectural in title. IMO, the best COA would be to group them as members of the Raiders, but in the members list in the RR article, list them seperately from the other Raiders. Will wait for feedback in the meantime.--Hawki (talk) 03:13, March 14, 2013 (UTC)


Possible contradiction with Wings of Liberty Edit

Okay, so in Flashpoint, it's stated that Valerian brought half of the Dominion Fleet to Char. This is stated to be 25 battlecruisers. This number, in the course of Wings of Liberty according to Flashpoint, was reduced by 11 BCs (destroyed) to 14 (surviving).

"Out among the stars, too, a battle was still raging. The zerg were uncontrolled, which was both good and bad. Good, in that their attacks had no strategy; bad, in that they were so brutally random. His own vessels were involved, and he had seen at least eleven of the twenty-five battlecruisers he’d brought to the fight destroyed. Even the glorious Bucephalus was coming under attack."

"With the calm balance that was such an ingrained part of his nature, Matt immediately realized that only half of the Dominion fleet was bearing down on them. The other half—originally twenty-five and now a total of fourteen battlecruisers and their contingents of Wraiths, dropships, and so on—was under the control of another Mengsk and firing back at Daddy’s ships. Valerian had patched in the Hyperion on the conversation between father and son, so Matt knew which Mengsk he should be attacking. His friend and commander James Raynor was still on the Bucephalus as well."

Going by Wings of Liberty however...

In the first cinematic of the Char invasion you have those two cinematic battlecruisers that crashed into each other and exploded off-screen.

In the first in-game cinematic right before the mission begins, there are five battlecruisers destroyed. Four of them are in-game models, one is a cinematic.

In the first Char mission, there are two Wrecked Battlecruiser Doodads and two triggers involving crashing Battlecruisers. The two triggers are activated away from the Wrecked Battlecruisers doodads so, they aren't the same ones. (I'm not counting the random crashing Battlecruiser triggers or any repeats of the Crashed Battlecruiser trigger since those aren't a definite appearance.)

You also have the Helios crashing as a primary objective in that mission.

In the third mission, there's another Wrecked Battlecruiser Doodad. (Along with random crashing triggers that sometimes include Battlecruisers that I'm, again, not counting)

In the final cinematic, there's at least one definite crashing Cinematic Battlecruiser.

That's a total of 14 destroyed Battlecruisers compared to the 11 stated figure in Flashpoint.

Beyond that, the ending cinematic shows, by my count, 34 BCs compared to the 14 stated figure in Flashpoint still flying right when the book is suppose to start after Wings of Liberty ends. [2]

Even if you disagree with the exact count for both destroyed and surviving BCs, I think there are still enough definitively shown to prove that Flashpoint is contradicting Wings of Liberty. --Shadow Archon (talk) 04:41, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure that's enough. That's a lot of numberwork (basically original research), and hard figures get priority over deductions.--Hawki (talk) 06:32, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
Is it really deduction in the case of the last scene showing more Battlecruisers than were stated to be present at Char by Flashpoint? Because, beyond the battlecruisers destroyed in the course of the last part of the game, that scene seems rather explicit.
Is a group of Battlecruisers shown in a single frame from a pre-rendered cutscene any less of a hard-figure than a book's declaration?--Shadow Archon (talk) 06:39, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
In the case of the image, yes. I can't count as many battlecruisers as you do, not matter how much I try to squint. The no. of battlecruisers the image may or may not display isn't the issue, but if we're pitting hard figures against a combination of counting across numerous scenes and a single image that may or may not contain a certain no. of ships, then the hard figure gets priority. It's the same principle for the timeline for instance, where absolute dates can precedence over relative ones.--Hawki (talk) 08:03, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
Okay then. While I respectfully disagree on that decision, I can't really argue against Wiki policy.
I can point out each BC in more detail in the picture if you would like me to. Even if it doesn't actually meet the wiki's evidence criteria, I would like to defend my claim on that issue.
So, are we insinuating that the Dominion's entire fleet consists of only 50 battlecruisers and no more then that during the events of Wings of Liberty?
Beyond that, is this fleet suppose to be both the 1st fleet and the 2nd fleet combined? If so, are the Dominion Core worlds simply left completely unguarded by capital ships while they chase after Raynor and Kerrigan?--Shadow Archon (talk) 08:49, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
Again, not our place to speculate. We can say with certainty that the fleet doesn't consist of just battlecruisers, and some of them were no doubt lost pre-Char. But there's not really a benchmark for how many ships the Dominion should or shouldn't possess, and the most extreme of opinions have stated that the Dominion shouldn't even exist at all post-BW (please, don't go there, I've heard it all), but...yeah.--Hawki (talk) 09:16, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
Well, I was just asking that because the Dominion Fleet article seems to insinuate they have just the 50 Battlecruisers, and no more. If that's not what it is saying, and that all it is saying is that there are 50 battle-cruisers confirmed for a single fleet, I'm fine with it.
I don't consider "The Dominion shouldn't exist!" an opinion of any worth. It's pretty much a delusion that ignores any lore set during the interbellum and doesn't take the expansion of Terran space retcon (from 13 planets split between multiple factions in StarCraft 1 and the Manual to having single factions having control of several dozen planets from the greater whole of the canon) into consideration.
As for how many Battlecruisers the Dominion should or shouldn't have...we can't exactly answer that. You would need to know the size of the Dominion, the number of its industrial bases, the resources it has access to, whether or not a Starport can actually build a Battlecruiser within a short time in a non-gameplay source, the amount of Battlecruiser classes in existence, and other factors, and those aren't concretely known.
I do think that based on what we do know, 50 battlecruisers for the entire fleet is a bit ridiculous (Whether or not the wiki is stating that). I know I can't change the article because of the priority of the evidence I have isn't sufficient to equal a direct statement, so I'll just stop taking up space in this talk page now.--Shadow Archon (talk) 21:27, May 23, 2015 (UTC)